During the tour Alfey was able to slip away into a room that was made for a little boy. It was total shock. Youre clutching at straws Im afraid. She failed miserably to convince me, or anyone else who mattered, of her innocence. Despite the fact it has never been proved thats exactly how it happened, it seems to be accepted as fact it could just as possibly have been the other way round, beaten and then shot. She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. Curiously after this latest test, the 39 hairs removed only 34 were accounted for what became of the absent 4 hairs? 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So lets get going on the recap of the Forensic Files episode A Woman Scorned, along with extra information drawn from internet research: Joann Marie OConnor was born on Oct. 11, 1968, the youngest of Sarah and David OConnors four children. They had a son, Alex Martin, in August of 1994. WebThe prosecution said Patricia wanted Jeromes $30,000 life insurance policy. Theyre just not willing to investigate/research as to the truth. The Prues were accused of luring Jenkins, a single mother, from her rural home and then strangling and beating her to death. According to a Morning Call account from March 5, 1998: McIntyre leaned forward conspiratorially like someone trying to persuade another to tell a secret, lowered his voice and said: Heres what I want to know: After you killed Joann Katrinak, did you kill that baby or just leave it to die?. From my point of view this is an extremely similar case, with less class and style, and without the luxurious details that Interpols case had, such as the involvement of an extremely expensive Alfa Romeo car, and a revolver bought at a lush auction in Paris, which had belonged to a duke before the incident. I wanted to get out of there.. I saw lots of her defenders saying that he got the hairs from a hairbrush of hers that he had somehow saved, which I thought was absolutely ridiculous. She had a history of violence over men, and she had access to the dump site from frequent visits. That phone call came in on December 7, 1994. The police report misspells his name (Troutman) and doesnt include his address, suggesting authorities didnt want anyone to track him down, according to Patricias side. She was the one that left Andy! Patricia had a violent past and was absolutely positively the killer. You took my life. And because some of Patricias advocates have suggested Andrew Katrinak had a motive for murder, I checked into whether he had a life insurance payout to gain upon Joanns demise. She was bubbly and likable, not disgruntled, according to friend Kathy Barber, who visited her friend in jail. So, lets take your response one step at a time. Im inclined to think both Rorrer and Routier are guilty. The LAPD alleged that Patricias motive was to get Jeromes insurance money, which had a value of $30,000. Its totally irrelevant. A Florida mother, who allegedly lied to police that her son with autism was abducted by two black men, was charged with the child's murder, police said. Patty is my cousin. Meanwhile, the case of the missing mother and baby turned into colossal news across the U.S. and internationally. She should have received the death penalty imo. "Yaser Said, you're a devil. I can only suggest you read through my comments again, only more thoroughly. Hoist by your own petard. I deduced my opinion to be fact because of what Ive read and seen and is supported by evidence which was never disclosed at her trial. I would like to tell you that there is many errors in this article, that I would love to send to you the proof of each one. If they were unable to get a DNA reading the first time, why the need for a second examination? Flawed justice: the wrongful conviction of Kerry Baxter Sr. Prosecutors say a 911 call from the night of the murders proves that Said is guilty. This woman was not innocent, but she is very good at manipulating people into feeling sorry for her. Patricia and Mark McCloskey, the St. Louis homeowners who pointed guns at protesters, pleaded not guilty Wednesday to weapons and evidence tampering charges. "I want to apologize personally for the fact that my husband wasn't a strong enough human being to admit his wrongs and be able to take his rightful punishment willingly," she said. Out of the two hairs found in the car only one had enough root to perform a DNA match which did match but police waited to arrest Patricia until a highly advanced and accurate match could be made, which took a year. Prosecutors did not seek the death penalty, so Said was automatically sentenced to life in prison with no parole. Police were led to the Prues by a business card found in Jenkins' home for Allen Prue's snow-plow business and a report that the Prues had called Jenkins about trouble with their vehicle. I come home one night, and shes just gone, and nobody knows where shes at, Bob Kopta, husband of Patricia Kopta, said at a press conference reported by Pittsburgh I dont even know its Christmas.. Patricia Kopta appears in two photos, spaced some 31 years apart, after being discovered alive in Puerto Rico after being declared dead. And last but not least, the fact that Michael McIntyre comes across as mentally unstable. Looking at the pictures of the scene, after 4 months of the bodies being there allegedly, they were untouched? Patricias accusers theorized that she resented Joanns domestic bliss with the tall, athletic Andrew Katrinak. We were contacted by some individuals an agent from Interpol, as well as a social worker from Puerto Rico, that believed that they had her in an adult care home there in Puerto Rico, the deputy said during the press conference. None. What a lame article. Now retired, he declined ForensicFilesNow.coms invitation to spar directly with Patricia via a podcast. Immediately after getting out of prison in the year 2000, Larry wrote a detailed letter stating that he lied about his sisters involvement in the death of her husband. I would suggest you take the time to read the book or, at least watch the documentaries which STICK TO THE FACTS, and then comment. Have you watched any of the documentaries Ive mentioned? Patricia Kopta eventually developed dementia, police said. After relocating to Pennsylvania, Patricia met the 6-foot-2-inch Andrew in a restaurant. Sure theres DNA, but if she truly is innocent then why not advocate to find the gun. Patricia made daily phone calls every day but made no calls at all the day before, of and after Joannes murder as she was traveling and knew her phone could track her location. Rorrers filed multiple appeals over issues you raise, the latest recently and rejected. And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. I think we need to realize that each dollar we spend or don't spend could have a serious impact on our society and our safety.". I dont think so. I would suggest you take the time to read the book or, at least watch the documentaries which STICK TO THE FACTS, and then comment. She just stayed in touch with everybody, Kathy Barber said in her interview on NBCs Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports in 2017. Joanne didnt go missing until December 15, an entire week and a day later. He took two tests and there was deception detected in BOTH. Thats all for this post. "You knew how the The case was eventually abandoned. WoW! A Pittsburgh-area woman missing for over 30 years and declared legally dead several years ago has been found alive in Puerto Rico, authorities in Pennsylvania said on Thursday. Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. And this doesnt apply to your opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. They dont need to make money??? But in October 1998, the LAPD established a cold case task force and reopened the murder case 17 years after Jerome Scotts death. They also think she killed her first hubby Larry Ford as well. She is right where she belongs for now until she meets satan in the fury of hell. What the prosecution failed to disclose to Rorrers defence team was that the cops, in their zeal to prove their gun theory, visited several addresses of which Rorrer was resident, dug up the gardens in which she was known to do target practice recovered several shell casings and bullets (more than 70), had them ballistically tested, but NOT ONE was found to be a match to the bullet recovered from the victim. What they reported to us is that she came into their care in 1999 where she was found in need, in the streets in Puerto Rico, where she had been wandering around. They were not reported until 5:30 the next morning and he had already spliced the phone lines together. Patricia is a evil monster. "The family has been very patient. Interesting points thanks for writing in (and, yikes, those poor deer that starve to death). Irving Police Chief Jeff Spivey hailed authorities for pursuing justice in the case for more than a decade. Her sister stated shed had a religious obsession since she was a child. The fact that previous boyfriends noted her obsession with Andrew is very, very telling. Lets stop pretending we can definitively prove this woman murdered this woman and her child. Amina two bullets in the heart.". She believed she was chosen as one of Gods 144,000 bond servants on earth, and gave up all her other hobbies, such as dancing, to devote her life to spreading the word of God. Rorrers defenders remind me of a case in my home town There was a killer who confessed, was caught on video committing the murder and was seen committing the crime by an eye witness. Yassein and Islam Said later helped hide Yaser Said in a home in Justin. Tommy Lynn Sells admitted to killing a 9-10 old boy in Indiana I think and the mom Julie (cant remember her last name) was jailed mainly due to the ex-husband (father of her son) testified and said things that werent true. Yes, documentaries probably do misrepresent evidence, and many may respond to that misrepresentation, but beneath that is jury judgment, and while courts can be wrong they are usually right. Just one example. And I have absolutely no sympathy. She is legally blind, has stage four cancer that has spread to her breasts and her brain, causing her to lose control of her bodily functions, leaving her diapered, and has been given six months to live. Combination locks. I have not SEEN this report that says no root found is there a picture of it online somewhere? The trial was taking so much of my time. Well, at least you managed some sense there when you say that, especially when you take into account the amount of evidence and witnesses which were withheld from the Defence and what appears to be a clear case of evidence-tampering. Disagree with The men harbored Yaser Said inside an apartment in Bedford, according to court documents, and he was nearly captured after a maintenance worker spotted him in August 2017. It seems so, according to you. If you so dearly feel the need to occupy the high ground in debate or an argument, have the decency to quote accurately. No other suspect has existed that would have a motive to kill Joann. Sticking to a promise he made before the pair pleaded guilty, the Republican governor announced Tuesday that Mark and Patricia McCloskey were among 12 people granted pardons on Friday. Prosecutor pounds away. Both sides agree Joann hung up on Patricia. which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory.. This case is not over yet more to follow only trouble is, law moves along at a pitiful pace. Addressing Patricia Prue, Judge Robert Bent said the sentence of life without parole was "fitting" since she was a full participant in the crime. Stevie J Further to my previous comment, I should add the following. Strands of the accuseds dyed-blond hair at two crime scenes proved it. I just watched Reasonable Dont on this case. Microconidia DNA, as long as the strand is one inch long they can pull the DNA from that. Sorry not sorry. It's been a long three years for them.". And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. Strands of the accuseds dyed-blond hair at two crime scenes proved it. The evidence was all there. It makes me sick. Amina was 18 years old and was shot two times and Sarah was 17 (Nope. I accept there are a couple of remarks which can be seen that way but they are in direct response to those whove been offensive in the first place. She was so obsessed with Andy that she called him non-stop, multiple times a day, right? Patricias accusers theorized that she resented Joanns domestic bliss with the tall, athletic Andrew Katrinak. No Jail Time for Former Corrections Officer and Friend Who Together Breached the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6. All 3 of her alibis were lies, DNA tied her to the murder, there was no sexual assault, she had a violent past, was obsessed with Andy, and was caught lying about owning a gun, which coincidentally jammed after firing once and shell cases were found on her property. Watch Wrong Man season 2, and then come back and make comment. Andrew told investigators that the unpleasant phone call between Joann and Patricia happened just three days before his wifes disappearance. He tried to claim someone else murdered them and that the night his daughters were killed someone was following them. (even though hes married and has a baby) Who does that?!! However, that first theory very neatly allows the cops to further theorise that the gun she once owned (which had a history of jamming after the first shot) was the one used at the murder. Theres something very important to this case that needs to be mentioned more than anything else THE GUN. On June 14, 1989, Patricia Wright and her 7-year-old son, Alfey, were riding in a car driven by family friend Lawrence Slaughter. They broke up in 1993. Let me simplify this for you in religion, one is taught there is a God. If you can tear yourself away from your obsessive mentality, you can see what virtually amounts to the tampering to which I referred. After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. Just as there is no such thing as the perfect murder, there is also no such thing as the perfect murder investigation. Had there been a switch? Plus a FB group that I was in included some people who grew up with her and they confirmed that she was indeed a horrible mean person who was easily enraged and always looking for a fight. Nataly is the lead writer on Curious Texas and a breaking news reporter. According to the Division of the Adult Institutions and Gov. That poor child and that poor woman. Its an opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. Why is this even a question, why people are trying to take out killers into society? And Patricia did live in another state. Gail Gattrell, the sisters great-aunt, described the deaths as an honor killing which are often carried about by a relative who believes a woman went against conservative Islamic values on love or marriage. Its his hair (dirty blond and roughly 8 inches in length) that was found in Joanns hand. I very much doubt you are. They were people that knew her, not Andrew. Advocates for her innocence complain of hype surrounding the case. Yaser Said was found guilty of killing his two daughters, 18-year-old Amina Said and 17-year-old Sarah Said, in 2008. Four months after Joanns disappearance, farmer Paul Kovalchik reported seeing what at first looked like a pile of clothes on his land in Heidelberg Township woods, about 15 miles from the Katrinaks house. Pat will spend the rest of her natural life in prison where people like her belong. In TV clips, Andrew didnt come off as anguished. Patricia Kopta eventually developed dementia, police said. She was wrongfully convicted.. Pal stays true. Any true crime fan should know the crazy history of these magic boxes. "You knew how the abduction would end," Bent said. Im quite happy to accept that ANYONE who makes a TV documentary makes it for money. The missing hairs probably got destroyed in testing.. thats how they test them.. and reports are wrong all the time. Prosecutors said the Prues planned the March 2012 crime: Patricia Prue's computer had been used to conduct online searches for "how to kidnap a girl," the Prues acquired a stun gun, and they bought a prepaid cellphone to call Jenkins to ask for help. Read the crime and public safety news your neighbors are talking about. Thats not proof theyre right but its more likely that you as one person are wrong. You can PM me please, this way you can update your article with the correct information. They portray heavily slanted and biased shows. Or the fact the one of those officers heard her make this statement at the time of her arrest and not the other. Entries in Patricia Prue's journal included vague descriptions of a joint fantasy that she and Allen Prue shared and were looking to fulfill. Owens called him "the devil" and said he deserved a punishment much tougher than life in prison. The media love the femme fatale., FBI lab blunder. His favorite rattle, shaped like a phone, lay near the crime scene. But then again I havent actually SEEN the evidence. Sorry ladiesher hair was in the car and at the scene.she murdered them. Why would she say that maybe she wasnt really a good friend, just someone trying to inject herself into a super sensational case. So you see, MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. Despite the new evidence and hypotheses, the courts have rejected all of Patricias bids for a new trial. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. The series was produced by Joe Berlinger, who made the Paradise Lost documentaries, which garnered actor Johnny Depps attention and ultimately helped free the West Memphis Three. After all, justice has been served in the eyes of the law, so why go on demonising her? And the obvious answer is that the makers too think the evidence is against her. Marcelin said the detectives, referring to Patricia Wright, asked, Dont you want that [expletive] off the street?. Pfeiffer and Burke claimed that police Sgt. Highly charged case. She had a suitcase packed, Devine said. Black said she was glad Said took the witness stand, giving her the chance to poke holes in his story, exposing him to everyone who has been watching this case. He had an attractive new wife and beautiful baby boy. She killed Joann, had a fair and impartial trial, so its time to get over it. The fact that there is LITERALLY NO EVIDENCE that Patricia was actually obsessed with Andy; they spoke as friends maybe twice a year. Thats because they knew it was a stretch to make anyone believe she would still be so enraged a week and a day later that she jumped into a van and drove 550 miles to kill a woman and baby she never met. While Patricia does not qualify for medical parole, she can still file for executive clemency or compassionate release, which she has already done and which was met with more resistance from Gov. in emerging media and communication from the University of Texas at Dallas and an M.S. This article is little more than fiction. According to Kohlhepp, the RTPD obtained Patricia Koptas DNA sample, then obtained one from her sister and a nephew. The prosecution alleged that after the murder, Patricia drove Joanns car to McCartys parking lot and backed it into a parking space. You seem to have a fragile ego. Calling her ex because she just likes to stay in touch w peopleLOL! In April 2019, 69-year-old Patricia was found guilty of second-degree murder and the use of a firearm in the commission of a felony. Susan Wright is out of prison after killing her husband in TX. She never had anyone testify against her but an ex-boyfriend! I hope she suffers and goes insane from loneliness. "There is nothing I or anyone can say to make what you've been put through any easier," Patricia Prue said. Suzanne Pearson fabricated quotes from Patricia including her claim that Patricia said, Im going to the electric chair upon her arrest because a conviction would boost Pearsons career. WebThe prosecution said Patricia wanted Jeromes $30,000 life insurance policy. Yeah, no. Islam Said, Yasseins 32-year-old nephew, pleaded guilty to the same charges last month in connection with the effort to protect Yaser Said, 63, who had been a fugitive since 2008. Liesbeth Powers/The I thought the same. All that remains is the conclusion of an appeal that Prue's husband Allen Prue has made to the Vermont Supreme Court following his October conviction in Jenkins' murder. Patricia complied fully with the original investigation of the crime and wasnt a suspect because none of the blood or fingerprints found at the crime scene matched hers. Throughout the process, she heard many community members waiting for the proceedings to be over. The girls mother, Patricia Said, fled with both girls in the week before their killings because she was in great fear of her life, police said. Allen and Patricia Prue were arrested two days after Jenkins' death. They returned with a guilty verdict and a sentence of two life terms. Browns action to grant clemency was rescinded after discovering that Patricia Wright had two prior felonies from when her son stole two 99-cent toys and a hand towel from an open house 15 years earlier. As for the words exchanged on the call between the two big-haired women, Joann told Andrew that Patricia had used profanity; Patricia said it was the other way around. Shes where she belongs in prison for the rest of her life. One more thing acquire ALL the facts about this case If you can read. Theres speculation and theres lies period. Andrew mentioned to police that his former live-in girlfriend Patricia Rorrer once managed a horse stable two miles from the bodies location and would have been familiar with the riding trails close to the murder scene. It might have said no root but could have been wrong. The Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC), the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), Families to Amend Californias Three Strikes (FACTS) and Change.org are among the many groups that have been working to get Patricia Wright released from prison. Yaser had been on the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list since 2014, according to CBS. Men who murder are conventional, women are sensational, posits the Worldwide Womens Criminal Justice Network. This story has been shared 114,982 times. They need to test that hair from Joanns hand and also that broken fingernail. I had five children to take care of and it was costing me so much money to travel two hours from Riverside to Los Angeles and sit in court all day, Patricia said. Did you personally attend the trial? Then you claim this is an opinion. And your contention that you (me) as ONE person are wrong, let me say that while you seem to be determined in singling me out as someone whos opinion is one against the rest, is hopelessly exaggerated. Killers can plan all the details and alibis well ahead of the murder while cops must come up with hard evidence, even just to make an arrest. Your position Ive read a lot, Im right; you disagree with me, Ill say youre a moron. Patrica Owens, Yaser Said's ex-wife, testified before the jury Thursday morning and said why she fled her home with her daughters only to return days before they were And your contention that you (me) as ONE person are wrong, let me say that while you seem to be determined in singling me out as someone whos opinion is one against the rest, is hopelessly exaggerated. Not sure why anyone is defending her. Stop. Nobody said bodies were intact. Lawyers pleaded their cases in closing arguments to 12 jurors and three alternates for nearly two hours Tuesday morning. She was falsely convicted of killing her husband when the Los Angeles Police Department reopened a 17-year-old cold case after coercing two witnesses to tape a confession pegging Patricia Wright and family friend Lawrence Slaughter as the killers. Thats my life.. This was a horrible and brutal double murder and whoever did it needs to be locked up forever. (We didnt get into the specifics.). Her mother was married to my uncle. Patricia McCloskey, who menaced the marching crowd with her finger on the trigger of a handgun, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was ordered to pay a fine of $2,000. Hate Crimes Prevention Act and 45 counts of using a firearm These two offenses were classified as felonies when they should have been only misdemeanors, since the property stolen was valued under $400. . If I knew I was going to get caught, I never would have brought you into this world, the arresting officers testified they heard her say to Nicole. "This is the 13th case solved after the creation of the cold case task force," said El Dorado County District Attorney Vern Pierson. Its an opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial.
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